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Indian? Chinese? What is this Rug, and Did I Pay "Fair Value?"

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Question received the week of Monday, the 14th of July 2008:

Hello again Rug Rag!

I am so, so thankful to you for your help!!! If you would not mind I'd like to ask you a few more questions regarding the rug: Why is the fringe so short on my rug (it looks like it has been trimmed)? Would you recommend any other type of washing rather than a luster wash you mentioned (the rug seems a bit dirty to me)?

I feel so good now that I have not been "ripped off" and that I got a nice rug as previously submitted. Over a year ago before relocating, I bought an Indian rug of indo-Persian design from a local Ottawa rug dealer for approximately $585. A friend of mine who used to be a diplomat in India strongly believes that the seller took an advantage of me and that the "indo-Persian" design doesn't exist. There were so many scummy rug dealers lately in Ottawa and Toronto that I won't be surprised to know that I have been ripped off. That's why I decided to try the Internet dealer from the US.

I know that I am asking for too much but I would highly, highly appreciate it if you would agree to take a look at my Indian rug to let me know if it is at least a hand knotted rug and what its real price is.

Regarding my Indian rug (according to my friend it has been made in China.)

Size 5"4 x 7'9”

Price $580
Style: Indo-Persian
kpsi I don't know: I believe about 81


Again, thank you for your help!

Best wishes,


-Anonymous

Boteh Persian Tabriz


Response:

Hello!

The only other type of wash you could give to a rug would be a shampoo wash or tea wash. If the rug is dirty, take it to your local professional to have it cleaned with a submersion/shampoo wash. 

Great photographs of this more recent rug.  From what I see, this is 100% Indian made, hand knotted fringe-to-fringe.  The reason I can tell this is due in part by both the construction of the woven kilim at just before the fringe starts, the way the design translates to the front of the rug, and the knot arrangements on the reverse side.  In my experience, there is no question this is an Indian made rug (e.g. absolutely not from China).

I'm not sure on the present condition, or what condition you may have purchased the rug in.  Small factors such as blooming of the pile (scroll down to side-by-side comparison) can have somewhat of an impact on value.  Although it could very well be unused, this rug shows a look typical to those of which were woven in the mid 1980s.  The age does not have a significant impact, only because the colors do not deter from the look of this rug.  Some rugs, for example from the 1950's - 70's have very "era specific" colors, although this rug does not which is good.  This design still holds strong, but is not as popular as it once was. It is known as a "mir" design of which each individual design in the field is known as a "bohteh." 

The knot count is fairly good, although not exceptional, is certainly very acceptable.  This is probably a knot density best known as an Indian 10.5/48.  The investment of $580 I would say is what on would consider every bit of a "fair market value" adjusted for location, however in city areas here in the US, one could say this would be considered somewhat below "fair market value". 

All else being equal, and assuming the rug appears to be in as new condition, I can honestly tell you we know of sellers who would have sold (and did sell) similar quality and designed rugs at retail for $650-850 (unused, recently).   Keep in mind, these are prices in "new" condition

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For all those interested in submitting a question to the Rug Rag Editors:  We'd be more than happy to help, please send some photographs of the reverse side of the rug very close up with a quarter placed on the knots, plus a picture of the fringe, the whole face of the rug and detail shot of the pile.  If the rug is worn, please include photographs of worn areas.  For rugs of any age, please be sure to check for dry areas, moth damage, odor, and whether or not the rug is straight/has right angles where called for.  If you have any questions about our assessment request feel free to send us an email.  Otherwise, we are looking for something similar to these images posted here

 

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